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Post by richardroper on Dec 12, 2020 19:56:09 GMT
The mercenaries we have recruited to pull on the shirt don’t seem too fussed about our situation and they’re used to the manager taking the flak. Not sure what the answer is but it’s only a matter of time before the bubble pulls the trigger and we appoint another poor sod to take on this inflated squad of mediocre players. Not sure who would want to take us on and I can’t blame them. Good points here. Whoever it is, we need a manager who will come in and say to the Greeks, “let me manage and put down a style on the pitch that will entertain the fans and bring money in so we can go after players who want to be part of something. Added to that I want most of the squad fucked off to wherever and don’t want to see all these nameless faces mooching around the place. I don’t want them gathering dust, I want them gone and I don’t want to see another new face in here until I’ve either asked for them or signed off on the recommendation having spoken to the player and seen how serious they are ” Then we might start to get somewhere |
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Post by ofenomeno on Dec 12, 2020 20:34:42 GMT
The mercenaries we have recruited to pull on the shirt don’t seem too fussed about our situation and they’re used to the manager taking the flak. Not sure what the answer is but it’s only a matter of time before the bubble pulls the trigger and we appoint another poor sod to take on this inflated squad of mediocre players. Not sure who would want to take us on and I can’t blame them. Good points here. Whoever it is, we need a manager who will come in and say to the Greeks, “let me manage and put down a style on the pitch that will entertain the fans and bring money in so we can go after players who want to be part of something. Added to that I want most of the squad fucked off to wherever and don’t want to see all these nameless faces mooching around the place. I don’t want them gathering dust, I want them gone and I don’t want to see another new face in here until I’ve either asked for them or signed off on the recommendation having spoken to the player and seen how serious they are ” Then we might start to get somewhere Exactly Richard. If this could be achieved somehow. As fans of this great club all we want to see is a manager given the freedoms you mention. Until this happens we are going nowhere with this shotgun approach to managers and mass recruitment of un dedicated squad members. |
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Post by ER on Dec 12, 2020 21:22:32 GMT
Are people implying they lied to Hughton when he came in just as the window shut and knew what squad he would have to January at least?
He is actually worse than Lamouche
Get rid of all these 30 something over the hill wage thiefs and foreign shit players and spend some money on some younger talent. The season is a write off - try some academy players
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Post by legsakimbo on Dec 12, 2020 21:54:46 GMT
Are people implying they lied to Hughton when he came in just as the window shut and knew what squad he would have to January at least? He is actually worse than Lamouche Get rid of all these 30 something over the hill wage thiefs and foreign shit players and spend some money on some younger talent. The season is a write off - try some academy players There's a lot of dross to unload, should cut losses and pay off a few contracts. Then recruit wisely, young hungry and upcoming. I hope there's truth in Forest being in for Jack Byrne, yeah he's at Shamrock Rovers but the best in that league since Séamus Coleman or dare I say Roy Keane. This is where we need to be innovative in our policies instead of the usual failed practices that haven't worked in years. |
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Post by bryan on Dec 12, 2020 22:34:57 GMT
Marcus McGuane, Virgil Gomis, Brennan Johnson, Jamie McDonnell, Alex Mighten. All we tend to hear about but see little of. We need to see more of these players breaking into the first team. Appiah, Burke and Brereton are the only youngsters we have had for a while who drew interest from decent clubs.
Used to have far more coming through......
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Post by iks on Dec 13, 2020 4:42:30 GMT
The problem lies with meddling owners, I hope Zorba fucks off and takes the rest of the olive wogs with him!
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Post by nemesiz on Dec 13, 2020 6:33:16 GMT
We have just appointed a manager with an impeccable record at this level. We could go around in circles trying to establish the reasons for the levels of performance, just like we have the many managers that have gone in the past. But in the end it seems something simply is not right in the highest echelons of the club. The mercenaries we have recruited to pull on the shirt don’t seem too fussed about our situation and they’re used to the manager taking the flak. Not sure what the answer is but it’s only a matter of time before the bubble pulls the trigger and we appoint another poor sod to take on this inflated squad of mediocre players. Not sure who would want to take us on and I can’t blame them. A managerial record is a statistic, an indication of their match results only. The data doesn't indicate their actual playing style or performance, or financial cost to produce those results. Many supporters realise that there is always interference from the top, but don't understand it's impact is either exaggerated or doesn't affect the backroom staff nor players to the degree as believed. Unfortunately the clubs deterioration occurred mainly through gradual or enforced backroom staff changes through retirement, regulation, disgruntlement and dismantling by successive managerial appointment, especially when Billy Davies managed! This lack of continuity is the partial cause of our decline but as the supporters know blame should be apportioned on the TIMING, injuries, FINANCIAL impact, stability, and playing style. This is why sometimes a club require an interim or caretaker manager that initially stops the rot, improves lagging confidence but more importantly re-builds the backroom structure to ensure the long-term viability of the club. Sadly Haghton is probably not the answer. One more relevant answer that may impact matchday and results is current lack of support. With the lockdown and Tier 3 restrictions the lack of supporters in the stadia does affect confidence and morale. When supporters are cheering, clapping, shouting, singing or chanting it can help gee up or encourage players when their confidence is flagging. Also if visiting teams and players face a barrage of abuse, insults it create an hostile atmosphere that affect a player whose confidence is down. At present at the City Ground it feels like a morgue or like the Majewski stadium  . |
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Post by jazz1930 on Dec 13, 2020 9:49:01 GMT
Not my words but i do agree with them
Does this Sound familiar... "In his last position at Brighton, the fans were happy to see the back of him in the end.
His football was so lacklustre that Seagulls fans are seemingly happy being in the same league position as when he left, but under the more youthful watch of Graham Potter.
It was a known fact that Hughton’s football was cut-and-shut, stubborn draws and narrow wins, and it begs the question of whether he really was the right man to take over Lamouchi’s Forest" Time to wake up and smell the coffee, before its too late!!
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Post by ben on Dec 14, 2020 9:23:55 GMT
I quite enjoyed League One.
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Post by richardroper on Dec 14, 2020 11:44:35 GMT
I quite enjoyed League One. Not sure I’d fancy our chances down there either. I think we only got out last time thanks to another team who wanted out the relegation zone bad enough to beat our rivals for the promotion spot. |
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Post by nemesiz on Dec 14, 2020 14:35:49 GMT
I quite enjoyed League One. If it means watching entertaining, creative, passing football then maybe I'd rather see this club relegated to the Third Tier. The negative rubbish served up in the last few seasons is so depressingly boring, but the Championship and especially Premiership isn't much better. Packing the midfield, stifling creativity, horrendous terrible refereeing decisions and VAR, pinball passing, bending the knee, now wanting to ban heading, it just isn't grass roots Football. My local side has more action in the first few minutes, then the dross served to us week in week out. |
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Post by savo on Dec 14, 2020 15:47:37 GMT
League One has caused some clubs to go down, completely revamp the squad and cone back much stronger. In the last 10 years I can think of Leicester, Soton, Sheffield United and Wolves who have all returned with a younger, fresher team who are hungry and they've often gone up again pretty quickly. Success breeds success.
The problem we have is financial though, the wages and transfer fees we've paid out in the last few years has been criminal, particularly as most of it goes on players that never actually play. A drop could be catastrophic for the club. We've been so mismanaged at the top level that it's a joke.
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Post by Dane B on Dec 14, 2020 16:06:16 GMT
League One has caused some clubs to go down, completely revamp the squad and cone back much stronger. In the last 10 years I can think of Leicester, Soton, Sheffield United and Wolves who have all returned with a younger, fresher team who are hungry and they've often gone up again pretty quickly. Success breeds success. The problem we have is financial though, the wages and transfer fees we've paid out in the last few years has been criminal, particularly as most of it goes on players that never actually play. A drop could be catastrophic for the club. We've been so mismanaged at the top level that it's a joke. I'd take a drop down to League One if it guaranteed getting rid of the fat bubble, Savo. |
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Post by mrsmith on Dec 14, 2020 18:28:01 GMT
I'd take a drop down to League One if it guaranteed getting rid of the fat bubble, Savo. Most of us said the same thing about Doughty, but the cunt clung on through three depressing years of League One football, continued under investment, Colin Calderwood, the mythical debt, shit football, embarrassing results in the Johnstones fucking Paint trophy or the FA Cup. We serve as a nice B-Team to Olympiakos and, for that reason, I don't see fat Marinakis going anywhere. |
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Post by nemesiz on Dec 14, 2020 22:07:31 GMT
I'd take a drop down to League One if it guaranteed getting rid of the fat bubble, Savo. Most of us said the same thing about Doughty, but the cunt clung on through three depressing years of League One football, continued under investment, Colin Calderwood, the mythical debt, shit football, embarrassing results in the Johnstones fucking Paint trophy or the FA Cup. We serve as a nice B-Team to Olympiakos and, for that reason, I don't see fat Marinakis going anywhere. That Mythical debt was real, why do you think this club currently loses £10-15 million pounds a year? Continued under investment? Doughty was a guarantor which without his personal investment and underwriting the debt the club would have went into Administration, not once but twice. Unfortunately this was at the transition period that if the club went into Administration it would either meant being insolvent and wound up, or suffer 9-12 point deduction. Neither were palatable, as the club already faced difficulty getting credit and extension to the overdraft. Money was available to successive managers, but his investment was restricted by liquidity problems associated with Doughty Hanson, but also the ongoing court battle. Nigel Doughty before his death also attempted to sell the club, but various consortium failed to provide the guarantees to ensure the survival and long-term future. |
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Post by mrsmith on Dec 15, 2020 8:26:44 GMT
That Mythical debt was real, why do you think this club currently loses £10-15 million pounds a year? Continued under investment? Doughty was a guarantor which without his personal investment and underwriting the debt the club would have went into Administration, not once but twice. Unfortunately this was at the transition period that if the club went into Administration it would either meant being insolvent and wound up, or suffer 9-12 point deduction. Neither were palatable, as the club already faced difficulty getting credit and extension to the overdraft. Money was available to successive managers, but his investment was restricted by liquidity problems associated with Doughty Hanson, but also the ongoing court battle. Nigel Doughty before his death also attempted to sell the club, but various consortium failed to provide the guarantees to ensure the survival and long-term future. Jog on with your Doughty was a saviour bullshit. There was no points deduction at the time Doughty was chairman. Also, how would we have gone into administration twice? We would have gone into it once, a painful re-structure and come back stronger instead of a decade of slow and painful under-investment. Doughty had the chance to show himself as a good chairman, instead he sold a squad on the brink of promotion and we collapsed into Division Three. He manipulated the fans with "the debt", as all football clubs have debts and used that cunt Mark Arthur as his mouthpiece. |
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Post by Dane B on Dec 15, 2020 9:00:42 GMT
That Mythical debt was real, why do you think this club currently loses £10-15 million pounds a year? Continued under investment? Doughty was a guarantor which without his personal investment and underwriting the debt the club would have went into Administration, not once but twice. Unfortunately this was at the transition period that if the club went into Administration it would either meant being insolvent and wound up, or suffer 9-12 point deduction. Neither were palatable, as the club already faced difficulty getting credit and extension to the overdraft. Money was available to successive managers, but his investment was restricted by liquidity problems associated with Doughty Hanson, but also the ongoing court battle. Nigel Doughty before his death also attempted to sell the club, but various consortium failed to provide the guarantees to ensure the survival and long-term future. Jog on with your Doughty was a saviour bullshit. There was no points deduction at the time Doughty was chairman. Also, how would we have gone into administration twice? We would have gone into it once, a painful re-structure and come back stronger instead of a decade of slow and painful under-investment. Doughty had the chance to show himself as a good chairman, instead he sold a squad on the brink of promotion and we collapsed into Division Three. He manipulated the fans with "the debt", as all football clubs have debts and used that cunt Mark Arthur as his mouthpiece. Didn't Leicester go into administration, kept all of their best players, cleared their debt, and got promoted? I think it was this that caused the introduction of a points deduction if you go into administration. |
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Post by nemesiz on Dec 15, 2020 11:41:10 GMT
That Mythical debt was real, why do you think this club currently loses £10-15 million pounds a year? Continued under investment? Doughty was a guarantor which without his personal investment and underwriting the debt the club would have went into Administration, not once but twice. Unfortunately this was at the transition period that if the club went into Administration it would either meant being insolvent and wound up, or suffer 9-12 point deduction. Neither were palatable, as the club already faced difficulty getting credit and extension to the overdraft. Money was available to successive managers, but his investment was restricted by liquidity problems associated with Doughty Hanson, but also the ongoing court battle. Nigel Doughty before his death also attempted to sell the club, but various consortium failed to provide the guarantees to ensure the survival and long-term future. Jog on with your Doughty was a saviour bullshit. There was no points deduction at the time Doughty was chairman. Also, how would we have gone into administration twice? We would have gone into it once, a painful re-structure and come back stronger instead of a decade of slow and painful under-investment. Doughty had the chance to show himself as a good chairman, instead he sold a squad on the brink of promotion and we collapsed into Division Three. He manipulated the fans with "the debt", as all football clubs have debts and used that cunt Mark Arthur as his mouthpiece. Of course there wasn't any point deduction as Nigel Doughty underwrote the debt! Leicester went into Administration in October 2002, after the collapse of the ITV Sponsorship Deal. This left many of the Championship sides, including Nottingham Forest in a financial mess. When the FA realised Clubs could exploit the loophole, the points deduction was introduced from 2004/2005 Season for financial irregularity. Unfortunately the parachute payments had ended, and with the ITV Sponsorship deal collapsing, the Main Stand debt payments owed, cost of the Youth Academy the club finances were dire position and our club faced the threat of a "possibility" of being put into Administration. A deal was struck with the local council for the Main Stand debt repayment (Feb 2004), after intense negotiations between both parties. Also it was the banks insistence of settling the debt, part of which Forest had to sell any asset to reduce the debt including the sale of Andy Reid, and Dawson to reduce their current liabilities and overheads. |
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Post by Dane B on Dec 15, 2020 11:58:29 GMT
Jog on with your Doughty was a saviour bullshit. There was no points deduction at the time Doughty was chairman. Also, how would we have gone into administration twice? We would have gone into it once, a painful re-structure and come back stronger instead of a decade of slow and painful under-investment. Doughty had the chance to show himself as a good chairman, instead he sold a squad on the brink of promotion and we collapsed into Division Three. He manipulated the fans with "the debt", as all football clubs have debts and used that cunt Mark Arthur as his mouthpiece. Of course there wasn't any point deduction as Nigel Doughty underwrote the debt! Leicester went into Administration in October 2002, after the collapse of the ITV Sponsorship Deal. This left many of the Championship sides, including Nottingham Forest in a financial mess. When the FA realised Clubs could exploit the loophole, the points deduction was introduced from 2004/2005 Season for financial irregularity. Unfortunately the parachute payments had ended, and with the ITV Sponsorship deal collapsing, the Main Stand debt payments owed, cost of the Youth Academy the club finances were dire position and our club faced the threat of a "possibility" of being put into Administration. A deal was struck with the local council for the Main Stand debt repayment (Feb 2004), after intense negotiations between both parties. Also it was the banks insistence of settling the debt, part of which Forest had to sell any asset to reduce the debt including the sale of Andy Reid, and Dawson to reduce their current liabilities and overheads. I believe it was the Trent End debt, not the Main Stand, Nemz. |
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Post by nemesiz on Dec 15, 2020 12:41:56 GMT
Of course there wasn't any point deduction as Nigel Doughty underwrote the debt! Leicester went into Administration in October 2002, after the collapse of the ITV Sponsorship Deal. This left many of the Championship sides, including Nottingham Forest in a financial mess. When the FA realised Clubs could exploit the loophole, the points deduction was introduced from 2004/2005 Season for financial irregularity. Unfortunately the parachute payments had ended, and with the ITV Sponsorship deal collapsing, the Main Stand debt payments owed, cost of the Youth Academy the club finances were dire position and our club faced the threat of a "possibility" of being put into Administration. A deal was struck with the local council for the Main Stand debt repayment (Feb 2004), after intense negotiations between both parties. Also it was the banks insistence of settling the debt, part of which Forest had to sell any asset to reduce the debt including the sale of Andy Reid, and Dawson to reduce their current liabilities and overheads. I believe it was the Trent End debt, not the Main Stand, Nemz. Thanks. Regarding why didn't the club going into Administration like Leicester? Difficult to explain but Nottingham Forest had difficulty to even obtain an extension to their overdraft from RBS, and this had many stipulations and limitations when approved. As with any debt a person or company must have a viable, credit history to obtain a loan. So if the club went into Administration without sufficient assets or guarantee it wouldn't secure funding or overdraft to continue to trade. The club was losing roughly 8 million pounds a year, sponsorship, ticket revenue and television rights didn't even cover the players wages let alone staff, Youth Academy, Debt repayment, and other overheads. Nigel Doughty could have put the club into Administration but he would have lost control temporarily when the Administrators were appointed. Also further limitations and additional cost placed on a loan could have made the business unviable. |
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