iks
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Post by iks on Jan 31, 2021 11:45:53 GMT
Year after year it's the same old problem. Owners spouting off, telling anyone who'll hang off their shirt tails stories of future greatness, while selling our best players and replacing them with the mediocre. Burke, Cash, Antonio, Assombalonga, Darlow plus others. I could swallow this if we needed to sell to survive, but 'apparently', we don't.
The issue is two fold. Firstly wages. 99% of all players are career focussed, the more they earn the better, because 15-20k a week just won't cut it for the poor lambs. Bench warming in the premier league is a much better prospect if it means chucking another 10k a week in the bank.
Secondly, owners. They will always put themselves first, fans second. It's their way or no way. Money money money and sod everything else. I would not surprise me one bit if the plans for the ground fall by the wayside. The bubble is gambling on getting us up on the cheap, thats laughable, doing it his way, having his people sticking their ten pence worth in, while all the time appointing fall guy after fall guy to cover their arses. Fans not being allowed in is convenient breathing space.
When we can return we can expect the same vitriol handed out to the Greek that the Arab copped for. It's all a load of old bollocks and time and again the muggy fans fall for it.
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bryan
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Post by bryan on Jan 31, 2021 12:49:50 GMT
The point that we hear next to nothing from the owner whether we are fighting for promotion one season and relegation the next speaks louder than words....
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Post by Dane B on Jan 31, 2021 13:15:26 GMT
Year after year it's the same old problem. Owners spouting off, telling anyone who'll hang off their shirt tails stories of future greatness, while selling our best players and replacing them with the mediocre. Burke, Cash, Antonio, Assombalonga, Darlow plus others. I could swallow this if we needed to sell to survive, but 'apparently', we don't. The issue is two fold. Firstly wages. 99% of all players are career focussed, the more they earn the better, because 15-20k a week just won't cut it for the poor lambs. Bench warming in the premier league is a much better prospect if it means chucking another 10k a week in the bank. Secondly, owners. They will always put themselves first, fans second. It's their way or no way. Money money money and sod everything else. I would not surprise me one bit if the plans for the ground fall by the wayside. The bubble is gambling on getting us up on the cheap, thats laughable, doing it his way, having his people sticking their ten pence worth in, while all the time appointing fall guy after fall guy to cover their arses. Fans not being allowed in is convenient breathing space. When we can return we can expect the same vitriol handed out to the Greek that the Arab copped for. It's all a load of old bollocks and time and again the muggy fans fall for it. Fully agree Andy. I have posted on another site that it's time for the Bubble to go. That new stand? It's all about feel good factor and shifting as many season cards as they can. It won't go ahead, it's all talk, and let's be honest, we'd rather have a decent team out on the pitch playing good football than have a new stand that will be fucking useless in League One. I would like to hear from Marinakis, even if it's to let us know that he's still got an interest in Forest. We're in a relegation scrap and we've heard fuck all from him. The "club up for sale" rumours are still doing the rounds up here in Nottingham, mate. The club have denied it, but the rumours won't go away. Just our luck we'll cop for another fucking looney Arab. |
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Post by richardroper on Jan 31, 2021 13:48:55 GMT
I think with football in general, clubs are just another money game to most owners. That’s tolerable when there’s a winning or attractive product on the pitch but it shows it at its worst when you have what we have and have had for so long.
I could never understand why blokes who had been successful in business, bought clubs they had never followed and tolerated the losses season after season. It was only after I read the Andersred blog (by some Manc fan who was also in the finance game), about the Glazers, did I begin to understand the clubs were just numbers on a page of their financial portfolio where they could play accounting games to help them trouser more .
As I say most people don’t mind that if they can bring some sense of organisation to the clubs they buy and fans get to see some winning. I suspect those types are few and far between. Most are what we seem to have ended up with and it’s the worst of all worlds.
What works for Marianakis in Greece doesn’t work here and whilst I probably thought a Premier League Nottingham Forest would have been the more influential partner in the relationship with Olympiacos, it looks to be the other way round in the yes of the owner. I’m not sure I see the sense in that but I think it’s driving the half arsed, cheap minded set up we have.
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Post by savo on Jan 31, 2021 14:43:55 GMT
What works for Marianakis in Greece doesn’t work here and whilst I probably thought a Premier League Nottingham Forest would have been the more influential partner in the relationship with Olympiacos, it looks to be the other way round in the yes of the owner. I’m not sure I see the sense in that but I think it’s driving the half arsed, cheap minded set up we have. This is my biggest concern, I think EM expected us to have been promoted by now when in fact we're as far away from that as we've ever been. Now we're just becoming a drain where money is disappearing into a huge black hole so it seems to me now that the focus has shifted so our purpose now is to provide a gateway for players moving to Greece, and to take on cast offs from Greece or any agent that EM owes a favour too. What is worrying too is that we are pants on the pitch but off it must be sailing very close to the wind FFP-wise. At least many of the other teams around us, Wycombe, Birmingham, Rotherham etc are balancing having a competitive side with being financially sensible. We seem to try and buy our way up with no real plan but actually end up making ourselves worse. I've got Leicester vs Leeds on at the moment and I'd give my right nut for us to play football like either of them. Leicester in particular have managed to constantly find gem after gem, clearly the result of having a plan in place and an actual scouting network. |
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Post by mrsmith on Jan 31, 2021 20:10:50 GMT
Can't fault the comments on here. Marinakis is using us a feeder club, our transfer policy is pathetic; we have dozens of mediocre players clogging up the wage bill and while Houghton isn't endearing himself, I don't see any manager turning us around and there seems to be a culture of defensive boring football at the club. At least Fawaz spunked money at the club and then fucked off when he sensed the mood had turned against him. The only difference between then and now is that I give much less of a shit about Forest and football generally.
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ben
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2021 13:11:08 GMT
On the bright side, the forum is always busier when we're in the shit.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Feb 1, 2021 22:08:47 GMT
99% of all players are career focussed, the more they earn the better, because 15-20k a week just won't cut it for the poor lambs. Bench warming in the premier league is a much better prospect if it means chucking another 10k a week in the bank. I think the bigger problem at Forest is a lot of our players aren't even money motivated, they're not motivated at all. There's nothing wrong with hungry young players who just want to use Forest a stepping stone to the Premier League even if it is just for the money. That's still preferable to the sort we target. The sort of players we go for know they've got no chance of earning a move (back) to the Premier League, even to sit on the bench. They're either earning less than they used to, playing at a lower level then they used to, know they're almost finished, and a three year deal at Forest is just bonus money winding down in semi-retirement. Or they're those career bluffer types who are pushing 30 with with nearly 20 clubs and barely 50 career appearances. How motivated is say Carl Jenkinson likely to be when at 20 he's playing for Arsene Wenger behind Corzola, Arteta, and Ramsey in the Champions League and now he's earning half as much competing with Cyrus Christie for chance to play behind Yates and Sow against Rotherham and Wycombe. You build a whole squad of players like this season after season and you're asking to be relegated. |
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