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Post by legsakimbo on Mar 17, 2021 15:36:50 GMT
Just curious, now that there's been a taste of Brexit and what's its all about, who's still passionately pro or anti Brexit or who has had a change of heart either way.
Will it/can it be successful or are those navigating the waters so incompetent and corrupt the UK is hurtling towards disaster... Or do you think those in power are doing a fine job in difficult times and all will come good.
Interested to hear your thoughts without starting WW 3
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Post by mrsmith on Mar 18, 2021 7:20:56 GMT
Was never a huge fan of the EU, but thought remain was more economically sensible than leave. Watching us become the EU's bogeyman has been interesting and the way they have behaved over Northern Ireland, their vaccine programme and granting equivalence shows them at their worst. We shall see how the economy fares over the mid-term and we now need to reform our own shit democracy, however, I don't think I'd vote to go back in.
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Post by iks on Mar 19, 2021 8:07:42 GMT
Im still.in work, getting paid well enough. Haven't struggled to buy anything. In a few years when our obligations are settled we can spend the vast amounts we were giving to the EU on our own interests. As a side note, the EU are now revealing their nasty, petty side
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Post by Dane B on Mar 19, 2021 15:39:00 GMT
Im still.in work, getting paid well enough. Haven't struggled to buy anything. In a few years when our obligations are settled we can spend the vast amounts we were giving to the EU on our own interests. As a side note, the EU are now revealing their nasty, petty side They just won't let it go, Andy. I personally think they will try anything to put us down. They are shitting themselves at the prospect of us prospering outside of the EU restraints. If we prosper, how long before France or Germany decide to pull out? That would spell the end for the EU and the free loading bureaucrats within it. |
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Post by iks on Mar 19, 2021 22:23:27 GMT
Im still.in work, getting paid well enough. Haven't struggled to buy anything. In a few years when our obligations are settled we can spend the vast amounts we were giving to the EU on our own interests. As a side note, the EU are now revealing their nasty, petty side They just won't let it go, Andy. I personally think they will try anything to put us down. They are shitting themselves at the prospect of us prospering outside of the EU restraints. If we prosper, how long before France or Germany decide to pull out? That would spell the end for the EU and the free loading bureaucrats within it. Dane, at the of this EU 'thing', it'll probably be France and Germany as the only ones left, perhaps throw a few shitty provincial places in like Luxembourg and Liechtenstein who are deep throating their tax swerving paymasters. Then they'll probably be another world war as oil dries up and money gets hidden. |
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Post by hblock on Mar 20, 2021 12:05:22 GMT
Was never a huge fan of the EU, but thought remain was more economically sensible than leave. Watching us become the EU's bogeyman has been interesting and the way they have behaved over Northern Ireland, their vaccine programme and granting equivalence shows them at their worst. We shall see how the economy fares over the mid-term and we now need to reform our own shit democracy, however, I don't think I'd vote to go back in.
I voted remain and more so genuinely believe being in the EU enriches the average person both in terms of rights and prosperity. However, I will readily admit that the UK have been much more pro-active than the EU in handling the vaccine rollout and we're reaping the dividends in terms of a much higher proportion of our population being vaccinated.
That said, the pandemic won't be forever, once it's over the reality that we were better off in the EU than out will hit home for some I believe. In fact, for some it's already being felt - 7500 jobs in "the city" have already transferred to the EU, I believe? Also, tariff free trade was announced, but it appears the definition of "tariff free" excludes certain import taxes which are hitting smaller to medium sized exporters on both sides of the border. This might sound trivial, but as a household there are certain mustards we can no longer order from France as the supplier can no longer afford to export due to the taxes. You may say "what the ****, buy Colman's instead!" but it's something that wasn't a problem before we left, and whether it's mustard, spare Volkswagen parts or whatever, there are no doubt households across the country who are slowly finding they can no longer import the things they're into. Not to mention that on a bigger picture level it affects GDP and jobs, our own exporters are in the same boat and there was a British chap on the news this week who's had to stop exporting to the EU because of these taxes (which as far as I recall they didn't tell anyone about when they were crowing about striking a trade deal?).
I imagine there will also be longer term negative consequences to employment rights and the right to travel to and settle in the EU which will negatively impact the quality of life and life chances of our people. Personally I'm of the view that life was hard enough without inflicting all this on ourselves just because some people couldn't bear to hear a few words of Polish on their High Streets on a Saturday afternoon, but that's just my opinion, yours may differ.
If there was another referendum I'd vote to re-join the EU. Well, I might wait until I've had my two vaccines first then vote to re-join the EU  |
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Post by nemesiz on Mar 21, 2021 5:29:13 GMT
Originally a supporter of the EEC but as the community evolved through the adoption of the Maastrict Treaty, became an Euro skeptic to now an Anti-EC. Whilst in principle the Community worked encouraging economic unification, improved prosperity and ensured free trade, through protectionism policies caused division and anti-competitive practices towards previous staunch allies i.e. Commonwealth countries. Understandably a member must give and take for a Community or Union to succeed but specific EU nations, i.e. Germany, Holland, and France have exploited the policies i.e. Exchange Rate Mechanism, Euro, Erasmus, Free Trading, Welfare Standards to the detriment of other nations. Unfortunately many pro-EU don't understand what this country lost in freedom, technology, and economic costs just to join the EEC and this was before the monstrosity evolved into the bureaucratic, political institution of the EU.
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Post by nemesiz on Mar 21, 2021 6:36:02 GMT
Was never a huge fan of the EU, but thought remain was more economically sensible than leave. Watching us become the EU's bogeyman has been interesting and the way they have behaved over Northern Ireland, their vaccine programme and granting equivalence shows them at their worst. We shall see how the economy fares over the mid-term and we now need to reform our own shit democracy, however, I don't think I'd vote to go back in.
I imagine there will also be longer term negative consequences to employment rights and the right to travel to and settle in the EU which will negatively impact the quality of life and life chances of our people. Personally I'm of the view that life was hard enough without inflicting all this on ourselves just because some people couldn't bear to hear a few words of Polish on their High Streets on a Saturday afternoon, but that's just my opinion, yours may differ.
If there was another referendum I'd vote to re-join the EU. Well, I might wait until I've had my two vaccines first then vote to re-join the EU Ah Freedom of Movement. Worked well when similar EC members had comparable skills, wage structure and ideology but when a company or individual could exploit cheaper labour it caused irreparable damage to equilibrium of this country's economy. If you believe that 4.97 Million EU citizens is acceptable, or 'hear a few words of Polish' so be it but the migration have created so many problems and issues, some cannot even be relayed on this forum! Concerning opportunities missed, another policy misconstrued and manipulated by Europhiles is the Erasmus system where citizens from another EU country can study in another member state. Undeniably it provides the chance to learn a new language, skill and envelop yourself in another culture and society but there is a high cost. Many people don't realise that whilst 21,000 UK citizens study in the EU, 70,000 students come to our Universities. The issue though is that the vast majority of our students study for only a year in Europe, while most EU citizens do a 3-5 year course. So in effect a Ten to One ratio. The problem many of the subject studied by EU citizens are highly technical course, which are expensive and cost more than the Erasmus scheme provides. Worse though is the brain drain caused by EU (and Foreign) citizens taking the key placements i.e. Medicine, Veterinarian studies, where once a higher proportion were allocated to UK citizens. |
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Post by iks on Mar 24, 2021 8:04:27 GMT
When do you all reckon we can go on holiday then?
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Post by ben on Mar 25, 2021 12:36:24 GMT
When do you all reckon we can go on holiday then? 2026 |
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Post by nemesiz on Mar 26, 2021 6:15:01 GMT
When do you all reckon we can go on holiday then? Earliest Foreign Holiday? Possibly September (except Australia). This country is out of kilter with the Europe, with vaccines rollout but also Lockdown period. Until Europe, America catches up with Britain (kind of), Australasian and Far East countries it's doubtful the common man will be able to travel without strict quarantine. The real concern is that we're already seeing the erosion of adherence to the Co-Vid Virus rules, so a new spike of infections and deaths is inevitable mid-April (two week delay in reporting). What I'm seeing on the street is mainly families, and school children and their mothers completely ignoring social distancing and congregating, sometimes in large groups. Once Gyms, and other sporting recreations re-open this will further escalate the situation, although certain leisure enthusiasts are ignoring all rules!(My Neanderthal neighbour is an example). |
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Post by hblock on Mar 26, 2021 17:37:31 GMT
When do you all reckon we can go on holiday then? .
I agree with you completely mate, I've personally kept my trips out of my village to a minimum but when I've been out further afield I've noticed the same as you. Back in February I noticed a lot were doing "coffee on a bench" ahead of when it was supposed to be allowed in early March and I've been noticing quite a few "groups of six" even though this doesn't come into effect until Monday. Also those doing "coffee on a bench" aren't limiting it to one other person as they're supposed to but a group of people, it takes the piss to be honest with you. These might sound like small breaches on their own but if it's being repeated up and down the country you have to wonder what the effect on case numbers and hospitalisations is going to be, particularly with the vaccination programme set to grind to a halt in April.
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Post by iks on Mar 27, 2021 3:20:47 GMT
As much as I love my country I've seen enough of place to last me 2 lifetimes. I want to go abroad for my holidays. Last year was like it never existed. When me and the missus were chatting the other day about the last time we were in America, it dawned on us it was 2 years ago. Its like 2020 got lost in the mists of time. Anyway, I'll call it that I'll have a tan from foreign sun by july.
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Post by ben on Apr 6, 2021 9:46:59 GMT
As much as I love my country I've seen enough of place to last me 2 lifetimes. I want to go abroad for my holidays. Last year was like it never existed. When me and the missus were chatting the other day about the last time we were in America, it dawned on us it was 2 years ago. Its like 2020 got lost in the mists of time. Anyway, I'll call it that I'll have a tan from foreign sun by july. Good luck with that.....the great Libertarian Boris Johnson has made going on holiday illegal. |
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Post by ER on Apr 7, 2021 7:31:23 GMT
What I'm seeing on the street is mainly families, and school children and their mothers completely ignoring social distancing and congregating, sometimes in large groups.
I agree with you completely mate, I've personally kept my trips out of my village to a minimum but when I've been out further afield I've noticed the same as you. Back in February I noticed a lot were doing "coffee on a bench" ahead of when it was supposed to be allowed in early March and I've been noticing quite a few "groups of six" even though this doesn't come into effect until Monday. Also those doing "coffee on a bench" aren't limiting it to one other person as they're supposed to but a group of people, it takes the piss to be honest with you. These might sound like small breaches on their own but if it's being repeated up and down the country you have to wonder what the effect on case numbers and hospitalisations is going to be, particularly with the vaccination programme set to grind to a halt in April.
Agree on that front - yesterday we went for a walk with the kids and dogs in the forest and at the end there is a woodland park at the end which is quite small and there were literally hundreds of families and kids all together in a relatively small space and kids are all mixing. No t a single mask in sight. Also my sons football, as much as I love it, they played over in Waltham abbey the other week and there were hundreds of parents watching the games. It is meant to be one person per child and even in my sons team there were both parents and the Nan or Grandad 🙄. This was the first game for about 4 months and they will all go mental again if the football is stopped. The next half term at school is the May bank holiday and I would not be surprised if some measures were in place again. Saying that - we had a week booked in Tenerife for then when has been pushed back and back for about 18 months but as it was paid for we just kept moving it. Anyway we realised it probably won’t happen again and as we have one also paid for in August we moved this Tenerife one again to next year. So - we thought let’s have a week away in the UK for the May week. Fucking hell talk about take the piss! You cannot book a week in a caravan in Cornwall or Devon for much less than 2 grand - just for the caravan! We managed to find something in Norfolk and it was 1200 for a week. No wonder no one stays in England for their holidays normally. I hope they are all closed down the robbing cunts |
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Post by hblock on Apr 7, 2021 21:20:18 GMT
I agree with you completely mate, I've personally kept my trips out of my village to a minimum but when I've been out further afield I've noticed the same as you. Back in February I noticed a lot were doing "coffee on a bench" ahead of when it was supposed to be allowed in early March and I've been noticing quite a few "groups of six" even though this doesn't come into effect until Monday. Also those doing "coffee on a bench" aren't limiting it to one other person as they're supposed to but a group of people, it takes the piss to be honest with you. These might sound like small breaches on their own but if it's being repeated up and down the country you have to wonder what the effect on case numbers and hospitalisations is going to be, particularly with the vaccination programme set to grind to a halt in April.
You cannot book a week in a caravan in Cornwall or Devon for much less than 2 grand - just for the caravan! We managed to find something in Norfolk and it was 1200 for a week. No wonder no one stays in England for their holidays normally. I hope they are all closed down the robbing cunts
It is daylight robbery mate, we stopped holidaying in the UK years ago when we realised we could get places with private pools and wall to wall sunshine in Europe cheaper than what we were paying to stay in average accommodation under the grey skies of Britain. They will not get a penny more of my money, we were ripped off for too long.
Saying that they had the travel expert Simon Calder on the news last night and he recommended one way round the extortionate UK holiday rentals is to rent a cheap hotel in a city near the destination of your choice and then drive out to the coast or wherever for the day. Don't fancy it myself but I can see the appeal for some.
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Post by iks on Apr 14, 2021 12:19:45 GMT
As much as I love my country I've seen enough of place to last me 2 lifetimes. I want to go abroad for my holidays. Last year was like it never existed. When me and the missus were chatting the other day about the last time we were in America, it dawned on us it was 2 years ago. Its like 2020 got lost in the mists of time. Anyway, I'll call it that I'll have a tan from foreign sun by july. Good luck with that.....the great Libertarian Boris Johnson has made going on holiday illegal. Holidays are happening very soon it seems. 😁 |
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Post by ben on Apr 14, 2021 12:40:06 GMT
Good luck with that.....the great Libertarian Boris Johnson has made going on holiday illegal. Holidays are happening very soon it seems. 😁 Yeah I'm sure. 3 weeks to flatten the curve..... |
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Post by popman on Jun 16, 2021 7:34:05 GMT
I love going to Cannes , pricey but I just love the place and I like the French , When Covid struck I had just retired and had all my holiday plans sorted was going off for a few month. Missus said Popman yo have worked like a dog all yer life go and enjoy yer sen my duck I'll be alright on me own. Anyway all travel stopped got all me monies back off me bookings etc . When yer could travel again I decided to book for Whitby in Yorkshire . Fucking dearer than Cannes the robbin bastards . Been going to Whitby for years now the cunts have priced me out. I was there a few weeks ago , Talking to the owner of the place and he said he lets an agency run his places . He told me if they are going to charge over a grand to ring him on his personal number and he will sort me a price out . Be there again in 4 week and then again in September. Maybe lads its better to try and find out who the owner is and do a deal with them instead of going through brochure.
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Post by popman on Jun 16, 2021 7:34:33 GMT
I love going to Cannes , pricey but I just love the place and I like the French , When Covid struck I had just retired and had all my holiday plans sorted was going off for a few month. Missus said Popman yo have worked like a dog all yer life go and enjoy yer sen my duck I'll be alright on me own. Anyway all travel stopped got all me monies back off me bookings etc . When yer could travel again I decided to book for Whitby in Yorkshire . Fucking dearer than Cannes the robbin bastards . Been going to Whitby for years now the cunts have priced me out. I was there a few weeks ago , Talking to the owner of the place and he said he lets an agency run his places . He told me if they are going to charge over a grand to ring him on his personal number and he will sort me a price out . Be there again in 4 week and then again in September. Maybe lads its better to try and find out who the owner is and do a deal with them instead of going through brochure.
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