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Post by mrsmith on Apr 14, 2021 7:08:39 GMT
Anybody been attention to the changes they are looking to make to the Champions League.
Seems to me that this Swiss system is rubbish and the next time they review they will declare this and turn it into a closed super league.
To many Americans in charge of the big clubs who don't understand European sport.
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Post by richardroper on Apr 14, 2021 14:48:15 GMT
Interesting idea from the clubs who moan the most about too many games and fixture congestion.
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Post by hblock on Apr 14, 2021 17:49:58 GMT
Anybody been attention to the changes they are looking to make to the Champions League. Seems to me that this Swiss system is rubbish and the next time they review they will declare this and turn it into a closed super league. To many Americans in charge of the big clubs who don't understand European sport. A semi closed league for the richest / biggest teams works surprisingly well in European basketball (Euroleague). Unfortunately, money has become so influential in football that the later stages of the Champions League have become a closed league in all but name. May as well make it official. |
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Post by corncobguy on Apr 18, 2021 19:00:37 GMT
Shit hitting the fan tonight
Can't say I really care. It's a closed shop at the top of the game anyway, I don't see what would really change...
UEFA and FIFA are only against it because someone else will be creaming the billions from football instead of them.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 19, 2021 7:14:04 GMT
I don't really care. I'd quite like it to go ahead because I assume it'll be a massive flop. Let them go off and play their own weird competition that nobody's interested in and the clubs left behind can play for the proper European cup as normal.
It looks shit anyway - half the clubs are from the same place, there's only three countries represented and the two finalists from last year aren't even in it. Funniest of all is the presence of Tottenham in a supposed 'European Super League'. Since the Premier League began their achievements basically amount to a handful of top four finishes and a league cup win. Yeah, Bayern Munich are missing but we've got Tottenham. Super....
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Post by richardroper on Apr 19, 2021 8:00:55 GMT
Just wondering how popular it will be with the fans of those clubs when that next step of Americanising the model comes in and they start moving the ‘franchise’ to different cities based on the owner’s perspective.
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Post by iks on Apr 19, 2021 12:50:59 GMT
Tottenham asking if they can join a European super league is like the Cheeky girls asking if they can join the Beatles.
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Post by hblock on Apr 19, 2021 21:12:51 GMT
I don't really care. I'd quite like it to go ahead because I assume it'll be a massive flop. Let them go off and play their own weird competition that nobody's interested in and the clubs left behind can play for the proper European cup as normal.
Exactly this, Art. When you look at some of the sides that would be left to play the European Cup, it would be a much more level playing field and quite a tasty competition indeed:
Aston Villa
Celtic
Rangers
Benfica
Porto
Sporting Lisbon
Sevilla
Villareal
Atalanta
Lazio
Olympiakos
Panathinaikos
Galatasaray
Besiktas
Fenerbahce
Ajax
PSV
Anderlecht
CSKA Moscow
Spartak Moscow
Dynamo Kyiv
Shakhtar Donetsk
Zent St Petersburg
Red Star Belgrade
The sad thing is these are all big clubs in their own right, but the Super League teams have become so ridiculously rich that the above can't keep up with them. Contrary to some of the hysteria in the media today, a parting of ways is for the best.
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Post by mrsmith on Apr 20, 2021 7:18:25 GMT
This isn't a shock, as the big clubs have been trying to game the system in their favour since 1992. The irony is that doing this, eliminates the sporting element that makes football exciting.
Some of the European leagues have become very dull due to the financial doping and in order to combat this, the big clubs want more of the same. UEFA, FIFA and the Premier League are all complicit in this, in spite of suddenly pretending they are now the voices of the fans.
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Post by corncobguy on Apr 20, 2021 19:38:43 GMT
Looks like they've bottled it. League disbanded and staff resigning
Their PR job was a shambles. If you're going to pull this sort of thing then have someone out there to make the case for it, explain it and sell it.
There was just a void filled by gobby pundits and politicians jumping on the bandwagon
The second time ths year the 'Big 6' have got egg on their face after project big picture 😀
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Post by hblock on Apr 20, 2021 20:58:16 GMT
Looks like they've bottled it. League disbanded and staff resigning Their PR job was a shambles. If you're going to pull this sort of thing then have someone out there to make the case for it, explain it and sell it. There was just a void filled by gobby pundits and politicians jumping on the bandwagon The second time ths year the 'Big 6' have got egg on their face after project big picture 😀 If it does indeed disband this was a massive missed opportunity to revolutionise football. Pundits have been a disgrace, if you actually do your research and see the effect the same model had on basketball you’ll see if anything it makes domestic leagues more competitive as the Super League teams are sometimes focused on that competition. Competitive for the wrong reasons maybe, but if you’re a Villa or West Ham fan and all of a sudden you’re competing for the title you’re not going to complain. And as for the irony of Conservative politicians lining up to condemn the thing as being money driven........  |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 20, 2021 23:21:02 GMT
Shame in a way that it's all fallen apart, especially after Man City and Chelsea pulled out. It would have been funny to see Man United, Liverpool, and Arse competing in a weird exhibition league watched almost exclusively by people in Asia while everyone in England ignored it and the rest of the Premier League just got in with things as normal. Nobody following either league would have noticed if Tottenham were still there or not. What do Ipswich, Derby, Forest, Aston Villa, Everton, Leeds, Blackburn, and Leicester all have in common? They've all been League Champions more recently than Tottenham  |
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Post by mrsmith on Apr 21, 2021 6:08:17 GMT
Does anybody else think this was all a ploy so that the shit new Champions League format would be accepted without a fuss?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 27, 2021 7:58:43 GMT
Maybe. It was like it was deliberately done to attract as much negativity as possible but a lot of football clubs are so amateurishly run it's hard to know if it was a cunning move to get something similar accepted in future with a "at least it's not as bad as the Super League" type reaction. Or if it was, with their usual combination of arrogance and incompetence, actually their best attempt.
I'm quite surprised at the wide spread opposition to it. I can see why fans of the 'big six' would be outraged but I'd have though a lot of fans of Everton, West Ham, Villa etc would be happy to see the back of them.
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Post by hblock on Apr 27, 2021 18:12:03 GMT
Maybe. It was like it was deliberately done to attract as much negativity as possible but a lot of football clubs are so amateurishly run it's hard to know if it was a cunning move to get something similar accepted in future with a "at least it's not as bad as the Super League" type reaction. Or if it was, with their usual combination of arrogance and incompetence, actually their best attempt. I'm quite surprised at the wide spread opposition to it. I can see why fans of the 'big six' would be outraged but I'd have though a lot of fans of Everton, West Ham, Villa etc would be happy to see the back of them. I was equally surprised, this would have paved the way for such teams to win titles and get to the Champions League, it’s an act of self harm for them not to have backed it. On reflection, it felt like groups who didn’t want the Super League used the media and social media much more effectively than those who were supposed to be promoting it, thus suffocating any support it might have gathered. You couldn’t switch the TV or radio on without hearing some quite passionate (and often ill informed) views against the Super League but seldom did we get to hear the other side of the argument. |
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Post by iks on May 3, 2021 7:15:14 GMT
Old Trafford. Im all for protest. But l dont understand why they just don't go (when they are able to). If customers of shops boycotted a business they'd soon cave in to demands. Dont get why fans just dont turn up for games. Plus the cynic in me thinks it would be different if utd we're going to win the league and not city. They'd be outside old Trafford celebrating.
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Post by hblock on May 3, 2021 9:58:25 GMT
Old Trafford. Im all for protest. But l dont understand why they just don't go (when they are able to). If customers of shops boycotted a business they'd soon cave in to demands. Dont get why fans just dont turn up for games. Plus the cynic in me thinks it would be different if utd we're going to win the league and not city. They'd be outside old Trafford celebrating.
Yeah, exactly this.
Plus we have an issue in this country (maybe other countries do too, I don't know) with people who will latch onto any protest as an excuse to kick off. If you don't want the Glazers to run Man Utd there are ways of making the point without a police officer getting their face slashed.
I get the impression if the Glazers pulled their money out of the club tomorrow and a Pogbaless, Maguireless, Martialless Man Utd ended up becoming a mid-table team, these same people kicking off over the Glazers and over commercialisation would be outside the ground kicking off that not enough has spent on the transfer market.
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Post by richardroper on May 3, 2021 10:06:25 GMT
Old Trafford. Im all for protest. But l dont understand why they just don't go (when they are able to). If customers of shops boycotted a business they'd soon cave in to demands. Dont get why fans just dont turn up for games. Plus the cynic in me thinks it would be different if utd we're going to win the league and not city. They'd be outside old Trafford celebrating.
Yeah, exactly this.
Plus we have an issue in this country (maybe other countries do too, I don't know) with people who will latch onto any protest as an excuse to kick off. If you don't want the Glazers to run Man Utd there are ways of making the point without a police officer getting their face slashed.
I get the impression if the Glazers pulled their money out of the club tomorrow and a Pogbaless, Maguireless, Martialless Man Utd ended up becoming a mid-table team, these same people kicking off over the Glazers and over commercialisation would be outside the ground kicking off that not enough has spent on the transfer market.
Agree with all of this. It’s quite ironic that this this game in this ground was the focus of the protests. It’s ironic because they’ve been drivers of big money spending and the fans and the players have lapped it up. Having Carragher and Neville talking like they haven’t benefited from it jars a bit. I’m old enough to remember when Man Utd and Liverpool were dangling money under the noses of player who was doing well in a club and when he got there barely got a look. It looked a lot like buying players just to bench them and nobble their opponents. |
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Post by mike on May 3, 2021 16:05:14 GMT
You've got to laugh at Sky pretending to care about football fans when all this started with them really.
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Post by mrsmith on May 14, 2021 10:23:53 GMT
UEFA have shown how much they care about the fans by moving the Champions League final to Portugal where the fans cannot attend, but their corporate friends can.
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