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Post by savo on May 15, 2021 10:01:40 GMT
Anyone bothering to watch this? I'm a bit young to remember the halycon days of the 70s and 80s where the cup final was the biggest event on the calendar and the build-up began with watching the players eat breakfast at their hotel on Grandstand. It was still a reasonably big deal in the 90s though when I first watched it. Now it's an after-thought isn't it? Sandwiched later in between two nothing Premier League games. I would try and introduce a few things to bring a bit of prestige back to it. - Firstly I'd scrap the League Cup as that really is pointless nowadays.
- Move the FA Cup final back to 3pm on the last Saturday of the season, no other football is played that day.
- Give the winners the fourth Champions League spot, or the runners up would get it if the winners have qualified through the league.
- Weight the gate revenue once fans come back towards the lower teams. E.g. if a non-league or League Two team play a Premier League team they get 100% of the gate, if a League One team play a Premier League team it's 90% and so on.
- Beyond the 4th round there should be no replays. I'd possibly scrap replays altogether but it does provide some needed income for lower league teams if they can grab a draw.
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Post by hblock on May 15, 2021 12:49:55 GMT
Anyone bothering to watch this? I'm a bit young to remember the halycon days of the 70s and 80s where the cup final was the biggest event on the calendar and the build-up began with watching the players eat breakfast at their hotel on Grandstand. It was still a reasonably big deal in the 90s though when I first watched it. Now it's an after-thought isn't it? Sandwiched later in between two nothing Premier League games. I would try and introduce a few things to bring a bit of prestige back to it. - Firstly I'd scrap the League Cup as that really is pointless nowadays.
- Move the FA Cup final back to 3pm on the last Saturday of the season, no other football is played that day.
- Give the winners the fourth Champions League spot, or the runners up would get it if the winners have qualified through the league.
- Weight the gate revenue once fans come back towards the lower teams. E.g. if a non-league or League Two team play a Premier League team they get 100% of the gate, if a League One team play a Premier League team it's 90% and so on.
- Beyond the 4th round there should be no replays. I'd possibly scrap replays altogether but it does provide some needed income for lower league teams if they can grab a draw.
Good post mate but I fear none of that would change the fundamental issue with the tournament and the wider issue with football, which is that a small number of very rich clubs have become so much more powerful than the rest of the pack that they've all but monopolised the cup for themselves. Look back at the winners from the past 20 years:
Arsenal 7
Chelsea 6
Man Utd 2
Man City 2
Liverpool 1
Only Portsmouth and Wigan have provided some respite and even those were quite a few years ago now.
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Post by mrsmith on May 15, 2021 16:09:30 GMT
The Premier League has ruined the FA Cup. It hasn't been the same since Manchester United decided not to bother entering in order to play in the Club World Cup. An increase in prize money and having a champions league spot open would be a good start, but I don't think the magic is coming back and most clubs treat it like an inconvenience than a competition.
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 16, 2021 7:13:40 GMT
Agree with most of that, although I wouldn't want to lose the League Cup. Maybe they could exclude all the clubs playing in Europe from it - that way you'd prevent fixture congestion for the top clubs and give the rest something they can actually win. Plus you'd get someone new in Europe each season. Everyone's a winner.
There are also a lot of little things that all contribute to the FA Cup losing credibility. Eg. the final being played before the end of the season, semis at Wembley, entire rounds being played in midweek, doing the round 5 draw while some teams are actually playing in the 4th round, odd celebrities doing the draw likes it's some shit showbiz event etc.
Best thing they could do is give a Champions League place to the winner. Then the best sides will treat it very seriously and the rest will follow. Ideally they'd bring back the unlimited replays but the fixture list is now so packed with European games and tedious Internationals that's not really possible.
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Post by corncobguy on May 16, 2021 12:33:11 GMT
Is it the FA cup that has declined or just football in general?
Yesterday we had players taking the knee, last minute equaliser denied after 5 minute reviewing a marginal VAR decision and players celebrating with a Palestine flag
Seems like peak 2021 football to me
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Post by savo on May 16, 2021 12:39:49 GMT
I had a Leicester fan trying to take the piss out of me. It didn't seem to register with him that I was actually quite pleased they won it and bear no ill feelings towards the club at all. Quite like them in fact, good recruitment, likeable side that plays good football, they upset the establishment. They're basically everything I wish Forest were.
They're desperate for a rivalry.
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 23, 2021 7:40:27 GMT
I've nothing against Leicester either, they're a likable side. Shame they've blown top four again.
They should pair up with Coventry if they're after a rival. Coventry have a similar one-sided rivalry thing going on with Villa, they think they're their rivals but Villa are much more concerned about Birmingham.
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Post by richardroper on May 23, 2021 20:46:30 GMT
If I were Leicester I’d forget the rivalry thing and crack on with what they’re doing being a bit of fly in the ointment at the top end of the league.
If they haven’t already got a rivalry established they’re not going to get one. Rivalries aren’t quite the thing they once were now that football is as hollowed out as it is. Clubs in the top two leagues court fans who who area as fickle and as mercenary as the players. Clubs buy players who don’t give two shits about the club and the notion of a Derby passes most of them by and they’ll say the right things at an interview but you can see it’s meaningless to them. Fodder for the press and the fans. Win, lose or draw - its all the same as long as the money is right. Rivalries and local derbies have lost that gloss and that edge. They’ve outlawed anything that borders on feisty in a game. They’re historic and all we’re really left with is an effort to talk up something that isn’t really there anymore.
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