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Post by ben on Apr 17, 2023 7:20:12 GMT
It's easy to point fingers at MGW and Johnson, but perhaps they're tired from carrying the team week in week out. Freuler, Mangala, Danilo, Shelvey, Scarpa, Lingard have what scored 1 between them and maybe 2/3 assists too. I don't know if it's a system issue or player issue but the midfield have been poor for most of the season, not offering enough going forward or defensively. Weve also been completely fleeced over Neco Williams too - 20m FFS?! It feels like we're at clutching at straws territory. If Yates/Aurier are fit for the run in then we might scrape enough to stay up but I'm afraid I can't see it Agree mate. Yeah midfield is exactly as u say. We have got so many midfielders that look like they do the exact same job, the likes of freuler, mangala, kouyate, Shelvey, Yates etc ( and I know Yates brings a lot more in other areas) but we don't have one midfielder that can grab the game by the scruff of the game and carry the ball and be a threat. Even from the teams around us or gone up I can think of Harrison reed, paulinha (Fulham) Dwight McNeil, doucoure (Everton) Phillip billing ( Bournemouth), ward prowse (Southampton), Maddison, tieliemans ( Leicester), McKennie, Harrison (Leeds). We don't have anyone Yates adds more than them but can't carry it 20 yards play a one too and smash it in. I guess Gibbs white is the man we were expecting to do that but he's playing as false 9 and no one really is supplying the ball up to him in that position. We saw a bit more of it earlier in season, Gibbs white scored one or 2 from area and couple weeks back v Everton played that 1-2 with wood and shot and we got the rebound. But we have done pretty much bugger all since. We are hedging our bets on Everton being shitter than us but I would much rather be in their position to be honest. Crazy things can happen at the end of the season we just have to hope we can defy the odds. We're down mate. Dyche will scrape some results for Everton. |
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Post by Dane B on Apr 17, 2023 7:39:51 GMT
Agree mate. Yeah midfield is exactly as u say. We have got so many midfielders that look like they do the exact same job, the likes of freuler, mangala, kouyate, Shelvey, Yates etc ( and I know Yates brings a lot more in other areas) but we don't have one midfielder that can grab the game by the scruff of the game and carry the ball and be a threat. Even from the teams around us or gone up I can think of Harrison reed, paulinha (Fulham) Dwight McNeil, doucoure (Everton) Phillip billing ( Bournemouth), ward prowse (Southampton), Maddison, tieliemans ( Leicester), McKennie, Harrison (Leeds). We don't have anyone Yates adds more than them but can't carry it 20 yards play a one too and smash it in. I guess Gibbs white is the man we were expecting to do that but he's playing as false 9 and no one really is supplying the ball up to him in that position. We saw a bit more of it earlier in season, Gibbs white scored one or 2 from area and couple weeks back v Everton played that 1-2 with wood and shot and we got the rebound. But we have done pretty much bugger all since. We are hedging our bets on Everton being shitter than us but I would much rather be in their position to be honest. Crazy things can happen at the end of the season we just have to hope we can defy the odds. We're down mate. Dyche will scrape some results for Everton. I agree Ben. Too many hard games for us. At least I saw us in the Prem once more before I pop my clogs.  |
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Post by sneintonslapper on Apr 17, 2023 9:05:52 GMT
Coopers plans strike again. Had rewatched the play off final v Huddersfield. Many, I think, may not agree with this, but I start to wonder that Coopers tactical variety was evident in the play off final - namely 'nothing'. The play off semi second league v Sheffield utd was more obvious for me. The tactics were the same, and dare I say it, fortunate to some degree. Especially in the play off final. Forest won by luck rather than a clear shot on goal. Cooper should go and now. He will not, if Forest do go down, get back into the Premier league. If, by some miracle, stay up, it wont be by coopers tactics. Looking back, way back, it is now obvious Cooper would fail, no matter what players were bought in. Ok, injuries etc... but at the end of the day, Cooper needs to be gone. I am waffling now.
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Post by randomtask on Apr 17, 2023 10:03:26 GMT
Watched the game on Sky Sports and my favourite part of the footage was at half time when Roy Keane was trying to argue that the Maguire handball wasn't a penalty. He literally stopped talking mid-sentence when they showed the slow-mo replay of it while he was talking |
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Post by ben on Apr 17, 2023 12:53:13 GMT
We're down mate. Dyche will scrape some results for Everton. I agree Ben. Too many hard games for us. At least I saw us in the Prem once more before I pop my clogs. Every cloud Dane. |
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Post by mctavish on Apr 17, 2023 22:14:55 GMT
It's easy to point fingers at MGW and Johnson, but perhaps they're tired from carrying the team week in week out. Freuler, Mangala, Danilo, Shelvey, Scarpa, Lingard have what scored 1 between them and maybe 2/3 assists too. I don't know if it's a system issue or player issue but the midfield have been poor for most of the season, not offering enough going forward or defensively. Weve also been completely fleeced over Neco Williams too - 20m FFS?! It feels like we're at clutching at straws territory. If Yates/Aurier are fit for the run in then we might scrape enough to stay up but I'm afraid I can't see it Agree mate. Yeah midfield is exactly as u say. We have got so many midfielders that look like they do the exact same job, the likes of freuler, mangala, kouyate, Shelvey, Yates etc ( and I know Yates brings a lot more in other areas) but we don't have one midfielder that can grab the game by the scruff of the game and carry the ball and be a threat. Even from the teams around us or gone up I can think of Harrison reed, paulinha (Fulham) Dwight McNeil, doucoure (Everton) Phillip billing ( Bournemouth), ward prowse (Southampton), Maddison, tieliemans ( Leicester), McKennie, Harrison (Leeds). We don't have anyone Yates adds more than them but can't carry it 20 yards play a one too and smash it in. I guess Gibbs white is the man we were expecting to do that but he's playing as false 9 and no one really is supplying the ball up to him in that position. We saw a bit more of it earlier in season, Gibbs white scored one or 2 from area and couple weeks back v Everton played that 1-2 with wood and shot and we got the rebound. But we have done pretty much bugger all since. We are hedging our bets on Everton being shitter than us but I would much rather be in their position to be honest. Crazy things can happen at the end of the season we just have to hope we can defy the odds. That's been our problem all season. Remember we started out with a back 3 but got overrun in the midfield. Coops switched to 4-3-3 with three defensive centre-mids and started to grind out some results. Then half the squad got injured. It's been obvious since before the WC we need a more creative player in midfield but every time we've tried that we get hammered because it leaves the likes of Worrall, Williams and Toffolo exposed. If we had a solid, injury-free team MGW would be in at #8... or pick one any from Scarpa/Lingard/O'Brien. As it is we've had no good options up-front with Wood and Awoniyi out... Jonno isn't mature enough to be the main man, neither is Dennis and MGW is defo not a striker. Not in this division anyway. At this point we've really nothing to lose. For me it's 4-2-3-1 for the rest of the season. Go out with a bang not a whimper. If we get Aurier and Yates back + keep the rest fit that team has a chance at least. |
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Post by ricknffc on Apr 17, 2023 22:27:33 GMT
Agree mate. Yeah midfield is exactly as u say. We have got so many midfielders that look like they do the exact same job, the likes of freuler, mangala, kouyate, Shelvey, Yates etc ( and I know Yates brings a lot more in other areas) but we don't have one midfielder that can grab the game by the scruff of the game and carry the ball and be a threat. Even from the teams around us or gone up I can think of Harrison reed, paulinha (Fulham) Dwight McNeil, doucoure (Everton) Phillip billing ( Bournemouth), ward prowse (Southampton), Maddison, tieliemans ( Leicester), McKennie, Harrison (Leeds). We don't have anyone Yates adds more than them but can't carry it 20 yards play a one too and smash it in. I guess Gibbs white is the man we were expecting to do that but he's playing as false 9 and no one really is supplying the ball up to him in that position. We saw a bit more of it earlier in season, Gibbs white scored one or 2 from area and couple weeks back v Everton played that 1-2 with wood and shot and we got the rebound. But we have done pretty much bugger all since. We are hedging our bets on Everton being shitter than us but I would much rather be in their position to be honest. Crazy things can happen at the end of the season we just have to hope we can defy the odds. That's been our problem all season. Remember we started out with a back 3 but got overrun in the midfield. Coops switched to 4-3-3 with three defensive centre-mids and started to grind out some results. Then half the squad got injured. It's been obvious since before the WC we need a more creative player in midfield but every time we've tried that we get hammered because it leaves the likes of Worrall, Williams and Toffolo exposed. If we had a solid, injury-free team MGW would be in at #8... or pick one any from Scarpa/Lingard/O'Brien. As it is we've had no good options up-front with Wood and Awoniyi out... Jonno isn't mature enough to be the main man, neither is Dennis and MGW is defo not a striker. Not in this division anyway. At this point we've really nothing to lose. For me it's 4-2-3-1 for the rest of the season. Go out with a bang not a whimper. If we get Aurier and Yates back + keep the rest fit that team has a chance at least. Agree mate, would be so demoralising just to go out with a whimper not being able to field a team that is even relatively close to strongest. We haven't been able to field our strongest 11 all season ( or what we think our strongest would be) We need some kind of miracle Preferably starting at anfield but you would be stark raving mad to suggest we will get something there, especially after pumping Leeds 1-6 |
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Post by Dane B on Apr 18, 2023 10:37:54 GMT
Leeds have played 2 home games since they beat us...
1-5 v Palace
1-6 v Scouse
Yet we made them look like Barcelona.
We were playing OK until we scored, then Cooper reverted to his sit back and hit them on the break tactic.
Againsy Wolves, again we looked OK till we scored, then Cooper swaps our striker for a centre half.
We can blame the I jury's all we like. We can blame the quality of players we have. But make no mistake, it's down to Cooper's tactics that we are in this mess.
Pointless sacking him now that we are as good as down, and probably the only reason I'd sack him is to see how another manager would deploy these players.
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Post by ben on Apr 18, 2023 12:22:37 GMT
Leeds have played 2 home games since they beat us... 1-5 v Palace 1-6 v Scouse Yet we made them look like Barcelona. We were playing OK until we scored, then Cooper reverted to his sit back and hit them on the break tactic. Againsy Wolves, again we looked OK till we scored, then Cooper swaps our striker for a centre half. We can blame the I jury's all we like. We can blame the quality of players we have. But make no mistake, it's down to Cooper's tactics that we are in this mess. Pointless sacking him now that we are as good as down, and probably the only reason I'd sack him is to see how another manager would deploy these players. Agreed. For as well as he did last season, he's an inexperienced Premier League Manager and it shows. I do have a degree of sympathy that the recruitment may have been out of his control and produced sub-optimal results. The Bubbles have a lot to answer for here. However, that's the role he has and it's not worked. I'd stick with him next season as you just know if we get rid, he'll take Leicester up. |
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Post by Dane B on Apr 18, 2023 14:21:57 GMT
I'd stick with him next season, Ben. He's probably our best bet of going up. He can only have 10 or 15 games back in the prem to prove himself though.
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Post by bearder2006 on Apr 20, 2023 20:01:49 GMT
Leeds have played 2 home games since they beat us... 1-5 v Palace 1-6 v Scouse Yet we made them look like Barcelona. We were playing OK until we scored, then Cooper reverted to his sit back and hit them on the break tactic. Againsy Wolves, again we looked OK till we scored, then Cooper swaps our striker for a centre half. We can blame the I jury's all we like. We can blame the quality of players we have. But make no mistake, it's down to Cooper's tactics that we are in this mess. Pointless sacking him now that we are as good as down, and probably the only reason I'd sack him is to see how another manager would deploy these players. Agreed. For as well as he did last season, he's an inexperienced Premier League Manager and it shows. I do have a degree of sympathy that the recruitment may have been out of his control and produced sub-optimal results. The Bubbles have a lot to answer for here. However, that's the role he has and it's not worked. I'd stick with him next season as you just know if we get rid, he'll take Leicester up. Spot on |
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Post by corncobguy on Apr 20, 2023 20:11:33 GMT
Loic Bade playing like Beckenbauer
I read we paid €1m to loan him out and send him back early this season
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Post by bryan on Apr 20, 2023 23:43:19 GMT
Loic Bade playing like Beckenbauer I read we paid €1m to loan him out and send him back early this season Makes absolutely no sense. We are screaming for defenders this season and he couldn’t get into our first team back 4 |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 21, 2023 6:33:02 GMT
That was an odd one, even by Forest standards. It's pretty normal for Forest to take someone on loan, never play them, and send them back in January, but it's not usually someone who goes on to play in a European semi-final a few months later....
He looked good. Man United looked really poor. De Gea at least partly to blame for all three goals. I think he's one of the Premier League's all time most over-rated keepers.....
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