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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 31, 2020 0:44:55 GMT
I'm sure Lampard was a draw for Mount but do you think Bielsa was a huge draw for Ben White and Jack Harrison? I'd be surprised if they'd heard of him. Plus it's not like we just have faceless nameless goons in charge - Warburton's been around, Karanka must have a few contacts in Spain, Roy Keane is a huge name, Pearce was in the England set up for years, doesn't O'Neil have any connections with Leicester or Celtic?!
I think too long following Forest has warped your expectations and you've set the bar for 'success' much too low. The likes of Colback and Gardner might be a relative success but I'd have them down as mediocre, with the rest even worse. For example Bostock started one game in a year, that's not 'mediocre' that's shit.
I'd say a success is someone who elevates the team to another level. Eg West Brom, Derby, and Villa wouldn't have made the top six without their loan players last season. Leeds and West Brom wouldn't have got top two this season. I'm not sure Forest would have had a single point less without any of ours from the last five years. And we might have got more without half of them. You should be looking at a successful loan signing and thinking 'Wow, I can't believe we got him, he's much too good for this level' not 'He might not be too bad I suppose'.
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Post by ricknffc on Jul 31, 2020 9:26:19 GMT
Good post Art, spot on
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Post by savo on Jul 31, 2020 12:24:20 GMT
In fairness, it isn't always easy to compete domestically e.g. Villa, Swansea and West Brom had parachute payments money, Derby had connections through Lampard. Leeds had the pull of Biesla. But even so, it has been poor. If we just concentrated on two really good loans each year rather than 6 ordinary ones, then we'd be in much better shape. Here is my take on the loanees over the last 5 years Feel free to disagree but half of them added nothing. At least 10m pissed down the drain in wages when youth players could have been given a chance Success - Colback, Dowell, Gardner, Moderate Success - Tomlin, Oliveria, Kasami, Wague Mediocre - Bostock, Semedo, Janko, Mendes, Trotter, O'Grady, Jokic Poor - Pele, Dias, McCormack, Byram (injured), Pereira, Goncalves, Williams Abject Disaster - Mir, Bonatini, Muric, Diakhaby, Macheda, Ebecilico, Dumitru, Teixeira, Tshibola That list is utterly depressing. It always shows how far we've fallen and how low our expectations are nowadays that some of these are considered to have done OK for us. |
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Post by corncobguy on Jul 31, 2020 15:10:17 GMT
I think too long following Forest has warped your expectations and you've set the bar for 'success' much too low. The likes of Colback and Gardner might be a relative success but I'd have them down as mediocre, with the rest even worse. Possibly, but likewise, I think you've spent so long being Mr Anti Forest that you can't give them any credit. I mean, Oliveria and Dowell were our top scorers. How is that not relative success? |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 31, 2020 22:56:36 GMT
Well, I suppose that's true. If we did pull of an incredible transfer coup I think I'd struggle to process it - It'd be like encountering a ghost or an alien  OK, I'll give you Dowell and Oliveria, upgrade them to mediocre. To be fair Dowell was a highly regarded young player at a good Premier League club so, although he hasn't lived up to his reputation, he is the kind of player we should be looking at. Also I've no complaints about Jokic. We needed a left back*, he came in and played left back - perfectly sensible use of the loan system. There you go, two bits of credit. I'm off for a lie down.... *I think someone was injured weren't they? Pinillos/Fox/Traore/whoever. I can't even remember who the left back was at that point. Every season since Pearce just merges into one. |
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Post by jackylate on Aug 1, 2020 13:28:25 GMT
Im sure it would be better to send a member of the public with a average amount of football knowledge to check these loanees out before we go out and get them,Because for sure nobodies doing it know or are watching you tube clips...
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Post by ricknffc on Aug 2, 2020 7:04:59 GMT
Linked with centre back Kevin danso, already got my chant.. ' ohhhhh what a feeling, Kevin danso on the ceiling'
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Post by ricknffc on Aug 2, 2020 7:07:32 GMT
Last Kevin we signed didn't exactly work though and I Int talking about Campbell... Gomis also centre half. Remember him being unveiled under the start of fawaz regime
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Post by savo on Aug 2, 2020 13:45:04 GMT
On the face of it he's played top-level German football and has represented Austria at every single level and at 21 fits the criteria for signing young players who are on the up rather than spongers who are on the way down as is normally the case.
This is Forest we're talking about though so I fully expect him to cost about £30k a week on a 5-year deal and suffer a career-ending injury in his first training session.
As long as he's able to punt the ball into row Z after the 90 minute mark he'll be an upgrade.
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Post by Dane B on Aug 2, 2020 16:31:00 GMT
Linked with centre back Kevin danso, already got my chant.. ' ohhhhh what a feeling, Kevin danso on the ceiling' Matty Cash going the other way. |
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Post by usred on Aug 2, 2020 17:30:53 GMT
Sheffield United 10 million bid for Cash rejected by Forest, West Ham and Southampton also expected to make offers. percy
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Post by colin on Aug 2, 2020 18:22:35 GMT
Sheffield United 10 million bid for Cash rejected by Forest, West Ham and Southampton also expected to make offers. percy Cheeky bastards ... They got Osborn and Robinson on the cheap from us now they're trying to stiff us over Cashy .. I wouldn't contemplate any offer less than £15mn + add ons ... |
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Post by Dane B on Aug 2, 2020 18:46:14 GMT
Sheffield United 10 million bid for Cash rejected by Forest, West Ham and Southampton also expected to make offers. percy Cheeky bastards ... They got Osborn and Robinson on the cheap from us now they're trying to stiff us over Cashy .. I wouldn't contemplate any offer less than £15mn + add ons ... "Reportedly" Forest will let him go for £12m, Col. If true, that's poor business. He has to be worth more than that. |
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Post by corncobguy on Aug 2, 2020 18:54:55 GMT
We're a championship club with no parachute payments and a high wage bill, economic reality means we'll be selling one of our high value assets this summer.
If I were playing championship manager, then I'd sell Worrall to Burnley, sign Rob Dickie, then work on Jenkinson so he can cover centre back and Darikwa so he can cover left back.
In real life, we're probably at the start of an auction for Cash, will go for 15m of were lucky
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Post by ricknffc on Aug 3, 2020 6:03:02 GMT
What a shame as if it was a regular season and we didn't suffer the financial impact that we have I'm sure we could have got upwards of £20m for Cash. If mcburnie went to sheff u for £20 m then you think Cash would be similar. Yes he's not a goalscorer but he's versatile, young and a lot more effective than the likes of Osborn.
Let's just hope the management at the club do the best for us, at the end of the day they aren't just dealing with figures they are dealing with ambitions of players and their livelihoods. If cash wants to go and make the jump to the prem I don't think we can blame him but let's at least get a good deal. Cash doesn't come across as a ' written transfer request' kind of man to push a transfer through. I believe we must have put in some kind of agreement that he could go in the summer if we didn't go up and if the fee was right.
At least marinakis doesn't look like the kind of guy to get done over and let's be honest the fees that we have had so far have been relatively good when you take into consideration contracts coming to an end and making a profit on players. Where as fawaz was just a target for having his pants down and accepting any bid ( Brit aside, that looks like not bad business)
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Post by ricknffc on Aug 3, 2020 6:10:26 GMT
In that sheff u offer there is talk of a player also coming the other way? Any idea who that would be at all?
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Post by ricknffc on Aug 3, 2020 8:12:14 GMT
£10m plus Callum Robinson would be a great deal
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Post by colin on Aug 3, 2020 16:48:05 GMT
In that sheff u offer there is talk of a player also coming the other way? Any idea who that would be at all? Apparently , Sabri wanted to take Freeman on loan in January for the rest of the season .. Could it be him ??. |
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Post by ben on Aug 4, 2020 8:25:06 GMT
In fairness, it isn't always easy to compete domestically e.g. Villa, Swansea and West Brom had parachute payments money, Derby had connections through Lampard. Leeds had the pull of Biesla. But even so, it has been poor. If we just concentrated on two really good loans each year rather than 6 ordinary ones, then we'd be in much better shape. Here is my take on the loanees over the last 5 years Feel free to disagree but half of them added nothing. At least 10m pissed down the drain in wages when youth players could have been given a chance Success - Colback, Dowell, Gardner, Moderate Success - Tomlin, Oliveria, Kasami, Wague Mediocre - Bostock, Semedo, Janko, Mendes, Trotter, O'Grady, Jokic Poor - Pele, Dias, McCormack, Byram (injured), Pereira, Goncalves, Williams Abject Disaster - Mir, Bonatini, Muric, Diakhaby, Macheda, Ebecilico, Dumitru, Teixeira, Tshibola Dowell a success? |
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Post by ricknffc on Aug 4, 2020 13:19:49 GMT
Well looks like we are talking about Kieran freeman on a free. Is it not luke freeman we wanted in January that also is at sheff u
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