I'm sure Lampard was a draw for Mount but do you think Bielsa was a huge draw for Ben White and Jack Harrison? I'd be surprised if they'd heard of him. Plus it's not like we just have faceless nameless goons in charge - Warburton's been around, Karanka must have a few contacts in Spain, Roy Keane is a huge name, Pearce was in the England set up for years, doesn't O'Neil have any connections with Leicester or Celtic?!
I think too long following Forest has warped your expectations and you've set the bar for 'success' much too low. The likes of Colback and Gardner might be a relative success but I'd have them down as mediocre, with the rest even worse. For example Bostock started one game in a year, that's not 'mediocre' that's shit.
I'd say a success is someone who elevates the team to another level. Eg West Brom, Derby, and Villa wouldn't have made the top six without their loan players last season. Leeds and West Brom wouldn't have got top two this season. I'm not sure Forest would have had a single point less without any of ours from the last five years. And we might have got more without half of them. You should be looking at a successful loan signing and thinking 'Wow, I can't believe we got him, he's much too good for this level' not 'He might not be too bad I suppose'.
I think too long following Forest has warped your expectations and you've set the bar for 'success' much too low. The likes of Colback and Gardner might be a relative success but I'd have them down as mediocre, with the rest even worse.
Possibly, but likewise, I think you've spent so long being Mr Anti Forest that you can't give them any credit. I mean, Oliveria and Dowell were our top scorers. How is that not relative success?
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Well, I suppose that's true. If we did pull of an incredible transfer coup I think I'd struggle to process it - It'd be like encountering a ghost or an alien
OK, I'll give you Dowell and Oliveria, upgrade them to mediocre. To be fair Dowell was a highly regarded young player at a good Premier League club so, although he hasn't lived up to his reputation, he is the kind of player we should be looking at. Also I've no complaints about Jokic. We needed a left back*, he came in and played left back - perfectly sensible use of the loan system. There you go, two bits of credit. I'm off for a lie down....
*I think someone was injured weren't they? Pinillos/Fox/Traore/whoever. I can't even remember who the left back was at that point. Every season since Pearce just merges into one.
Im sure it would be better to send a member of the public with a average amount of football knowledge to check these loanees out before we go out and get them,Because for sure nobodies doing it know or are watching you tube clips...
On the face of it he's played top-level German football and has represented Austria at every single level and at 21 fits the criteria for signing young players who are on the up rather than spongers who are on the way down as is normally the case.
This is Forest we're talking about though so I fully expect him to cost about £30k a week on a 5-year deal and suffer a career-ending injury in his first training session.
As long as he's able to punt the ball into row Z after the 90 minute mark he'll be an upgrade.
What a shame as if it was a regular season and we didn't suffer the financial impact that we have I'm sure we could have got upwards of £20m for Cash. If mcburnie went to sheff u for £20 m then you think Cash would be similar. Yes he's not a goalscorer but he's versatile, young and a lot more effective than the likes of Osborn.
Let's just hope the management at the club do the best for us, at the end of the day they aren't just dealing with figures they are dealing with ambitions of players and their livelihoods. If cash wants to go and make the jump to the prem I don't think we can blame him but let's at least get a good deal. Cash doesn't come across as a ' written transfer request' kind of man to push a transfer through. I believe we must have put in some kind of agreement that he could go in the summer if we didn't go up and if the fee was right.
At least marinakis doesn't look like the kind of guy to get done over and let's be honest the fees that we have had so far have been relatively good when you take into consideration contracts coming to an end and making a profit on players. Where as fawaz was just a target for having his pants down and accepting any bid ( Brit aside, that looks like not bad business)