OK lads, after last night's reality check, and we've all calmed down, what are your thoughts of where we go from here?
The transfer window opens in 4 days, and the new season kicks off in about 5/6 weeks, so not a lot of time to take stock and reshape.
Should Mr Cautious be given another season? Will we be able to hang on to our major assets, or will the likes of Lolley, Cash, and Grabban be on their way?
What players do we need and for what positions?
I thought we had quite a few players out of contract at the end of this season. Wouldn't those contracts have expired in June and those players be free agents now?
Why, all of a sudden have we started including Mighten and Johnson in the match day squad, and giving them game time. Are we putting them in the shop window?
Many fans have called for Mr Cautious to be sacked and be replaced by Chris Hughton. He's signed for Bristol City today. Their gain and our loss?
The craziest season of my 61 years on this planet has ended for us. Next season could be even crazier. My personal thoughts are that we are really going to struggle with Lamouchi at the helm. He's been 'found out' and doesn't have any idea what to do now. If we don't invest in quality over quantity, then we'll be lucky to be mid table by Xmas, we'll be saying Au revoir to Mr Cautious, and it'll be another season wasted.
Post by charliecheswick on Jul 23, 2020 15:57:48 GMT
Happy to stick with Lamouchi. Chris Hughton is the only really sure fire success manager who was available at this level and as he's gone...
He needs to hit the ground running at the start of the season though.
I think our priority signings should be a left back, a beast centre half, a box to box midfielder (Colback maybe?), a winger and a striker. They all need to be better than what we have, or in the striker's case, as good.
What we'll get are a dozen randoms.
I suppose Carvalho will go and free up some cash to fund the randoms. Have we still got a load of players out of contract? Get on with releasing those.
On top of that any of our good players could go, to be replaced by a couple of randoms each.
I think we signed 11 players last year and I'd say Ameobi, Silva and Samba are good enough, I'd include Sow if he ever played. That's can't be allowed to happen again, but it will.
I think we stick with Lamouchi he brought something we haven't seen in a while which was getting results at tough places away. Our home form has been pretty bad but surely that is easier to turn around ( you would think) than away. There is nothing to say we will be as good away next season though. The project that the owners have started was something that we all bought into. The majority of us bought into Lamouchi. In the play offs since boxing day until the final 20 mins in his first season is progress in my mind, no matter how shit we have been over the past few weeks and how we should have had the play offs set in stone ages ago and the atrocities of last night.
We can't just counter attack and have no threat on the front foot though and Lamouchi would have to develop a way of being able to dominate teams because we can't just counter attack our way out this league. If we have grabban an average amount of chances this season he would surely have had 25/30 goals. As I have said in another post, the test is now. Do we get behind him, back him, adding quality over quantity is bigger now than ever and we would have to break the mould of previous years.
Like you say there must be a list of names now out of contract. Not sure who would take grabban given his age and wage. Cash I fear will be out of here because he will get a chance of a lifetime. I don't see a Ben Osborn kind of transfer for him I see him going to a really well established club and having right back nailed on as his. Lolley not had an amazing season, think his stock is down from last year.
We need a good 4/5 quality championship players that will get into this first team. Probably more if plenty go out the door. We are crying out for a left back, right back (if cash goes), centre half, a goalscoring midfielder like tom cairney from Fulham ( not suggesting him) or like a present day mcguigan, winger ( I like the way Jamal Lowe plays at Wigan) and a quality all round striker ( an affordable mitrovic)
As I said in another thread, the sacking manager system hasn't worked for us for the past 20-years (except Calderwood) and we will just find another mediocre cunt to keep the dugout warm until Christmas. I would have been delighted with a seventh place finish at the start of the season and over 46 games we have done quite well. We need to offload the deadwood and invest in quality, but this isn't a thing Forest have done recently and our approach of buying in bulk over the hill, average injury prone tosh because they managed to sit on the bench for a few Premier League games now carries long-term risk for the club as revenue is cut due to fans not being in the stadium. What's next is to enjoy the summer as much as possible before Forest return to ruin our weekends.
With a new gaffer though to could have potentially been a lot worse than last season? Hopefully Sabri will have learnt a lot about his squad in the last couple of weeks since we have been back. This should stand in good stead for character building and knowing who he can rely on as well as where he needs to improve within the squad. I know it was the same for everyone but it's been a crazy year for football. If we didn't have the break for coronavirus who knows, we may have kicked back on? We may have faded away faster. I know we weren't doing well before the break but It's all been a bit up in the air though. We aren't in a position where he has guided us to mid table mediocrity. It's fine margins, if Lolley backs himself and puts it past the keeper instead of trying to square to grabban I day we would have at least got a point last night and been in the play offs. Diedhou hit the post with a pen for brizzle against Swansea late on to deny a draw in the second to last game that would have stopped them in their tracks.
Are we really going to sack our manager over fine margins like that. Even if we scrambled a crappy point somewhere within the last couple of weeks and got fucked in the play offs I doubt many would be calling for his head. It would have been disappointing to lose the play offs but it would have been regarded as a great season ( and yes who knows we may have miraculously made our way to the prem but very much doubt it). Why should finishing a goal shy cloud it so much that he is being called to go?
Now the dust is settling I can honestly start to see it as a blessing in disguise. In another post I mentioned us not having to learn a lesson if we somehow got promoted because we would all be in cloud 9 but the odds are it would have all come crashing down when we spunked £80m in the prem and came back down after getting dicked each week then with massive wage bills etc. To have a chance of staying in the prem you need a good championship core that is solid and consistent in the championship then add prem class to it. We haven't got that at all at the moment. Look at sheff u. No glamorous players but all consistent decent workhorse championship players. Again with West brom this season, again with Leeds, Brentford, Fulham. Cardiff and Swansea haven't got the core to go up and have a crack at the prem if they did go I feel either of them would defo come back down.
Let's have another season in the championship actually build a decent side that gets where they are by merit and learns to take the game to teams. Lamouchi cracked this season getting points away from home at difficult places. He needs to master burying the lesser teams at home and away. I agree if we don't see him doing that into next season then we may have issues and I can see why people might think he isn't the man for us but based on this season I think he has done enough to stay at the helm. His background team must know what needs improving cos we all see it, we need to be more ruthless, we need to create more chances, we need to have the ability to take control and take the game to teams. If we can work on that over the off season and make some quality additions we will be feared next season and would be in a much better position to go up.
Besides did we all want to celebrate Wembley promotion sat at home ha??
We need to stick with him. Despite the last 6 games we’ve had a good season. I can’t understand how bad we’ve gone recently but I think he deserves til next Christmas at least to see if he can get back to the steady results we had. What worry’s me most is the recruitment. I hope Marinakis puts on some public forums and gets the fans thoughts as he is big in the community side of things. Whoever is recruiting needs to fuck off and get some proper talent spotters in
BBC radio Nottingham tonight it was pointed out Swansea had 2 players that played 40+ games and his season. We had 7. When Lamouchi made changes we very rarely performed or got a result. Looms like a lot of players ran out of mental and physical steam. Not a definitive answer but definitely a contributing factor, we simply haven't had the quality in depth
6 weeks is not long at all and if we are to do anything next season we have to keep the decent players (Cash, Lolley, Samba ), bring in a captain to lead the back 4 and stop with the two defensive midfielders. More pace, more support for one man up front and more flair.
Passing at times this season has been shocking. Need someone like Pearce on the pitch to let the player know when they have messed up.
Nothing will change on the pitch until we change the recruitment policy. It's been quantity over quality for years and while it continues to be like this we won't go anywhere.
Whoever is out of contract needs to be released, then the others who aren't featuring need to be sold. Then we sign 3/4 quality additions, in key areas. Perhaps a good loan or two from the Premier League too.
To be honest I get the impression that Lamouchi plays this way regardless so whilst the results may get better if we do as I describe above the spectacle certainly won't and we'll continue to bore our opponents into submission.
There shouldn't even be the slightest question over the manager's future but there shouldn't have been a question over the last one. Or the one before that. Or the one before that. Or the one.....oh, ok, that one was a bit shit to be fair but you get the idea.
I'm hoping we've learnt our lesson but I assume the manager will be sacked, we'll sign loads of random players (the usual knackered old pros, wasters, chancers, and weird journeymen with 30 starts by their mid twenties), most of them will never be seen, we'll sell Cash/Worrall to fund the supersize squad, drift about until Christmas then sack the next manager.
I think I've written that same kind of thing for the last five seasons. I might save the second paragraph somewhere, save me typing it again next year.....
Keep the manager. Overall he has done well, remember half of this team was pretty much thrown together at the start of the season. Build on what we have.
When you look at spending this season I believe we are one of the lowest in the division(?)
So we need to sign some quality players and not the usual crap. As has been mentioned already.
I am very pleased with the new ownership, but now they need to show us whether they are serious about taking us to that next level.
And most importantly buck the trend. They have seen what we are capable of with a pretty mediocre squad. Let's be honest we haven't played any sparkling football this season and we were pretty much all surprised where we ended up this season with being in the play offs for the vast majority of it. So let's finally put to bed signing cheap alternatives no one wants or who were rated once upon a time and have been outcast or injured month after month. If marinakis wanted to try and do it on the cheap hopefully he has seen this season the squads above us and the quality they have bring in some decent players get rid of the end of contract players and we stand a good chance next season.
It comes from the top, if the owners and staff don't learn then nothing will get better. We won't have learnt a thing if marinakis pulls the trigger, the next manager comes in on the converyerbelt we sign quantity of quality we finish short of play offs next season and sack again and we carry on doing the same shit. If this was stick or twist I would say we are on 17/21. Who is to say twisting would give you a manager with a better result (18/19/20/21)?. I say logic says stick add some decent players then we move ourselves up to a 19/21, that could be enough for a crack at autos or a genuine decent shot in the play offs.
I'm torn really. On the one hand I really don't want to sack yet another manager and restart it all again, probably end up signing a load of numpties etc etc
On the other hand, I can barely bring myself to watch us under Lamouchi. His 'style' is just about bearable if you're successful but if you're not it's enough to turn someone off the game. We're boring, insist on not having the ball, play safe, low-risk and play for results. I've said it all season and been shot down in flames on here each time but I've watched us about 15 times this season and probably seen us play well twice.
Our signings have been appalling over the last 2 transfer windows. Thats half the problem. We are bound to lose Cash, probably Worrall and Lolley too but we need to go out and actually bring in quality. Im happy to give Lamouchi another year and the division next season is very weak, but we need to sign some quality and he needs to be far less defensive.
Lamouchi is the first manager in while that I think if we get rid of someone will come straight in for him and he will go and be a success somewhere. Weren't Watford in for him half way through last season? Aren't they manager less now??